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@Kitty4D on the B-Chain
just my adventures with the blockchain, web3, cryptocurrencies, and NFTs
Developer, Content Creator, Former Camgirl
aka @kitty4Do, $kitty4d
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Post by kitty4d

2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
@DeSo idea creator coins not tied to an individual profile, but able to be tied to multiple profiles reason: i have a profile at @cloutfanz - i want people invested in me to benefit from this. but i post a lot more stuff that has nothing to do with cloutfanz and is totally safe for work because that's more my personality. i don't like that me posting anything about cloutfanz, could potentially make my normal followers worry about things they might see on my feed. even though i keep everything sfw on-chain, some people might not like "implications" - i don't begrudge anyone for it, i try my best to keep things as clean as possible while still promoting things i do because i want my coin holders and myself to benefit. but i can't create a separate profile now that would just be for my cloutfanz content. i already have an alt @BHolesOnTheBChain and i don't like that if i really wanted to do things with that profile, it could look like i'm taking potential benefits away from my coin holders here. i'd rather the creator coin to be like a brand coin. if i have some nft project i do, i create it under the same umbrella. people don't have to follow that account, but by having bought my creator coin, they still may benefit from things i do there. i could have a separate profile for cloutfanz so people who don't want to see anything hinting at nsfw content won't follow it, but they can still benefit from the work that i do if they hold my coin, is it too late to do this? just another great idea from ~me~ that i'm giving out for free @nadertheory @AlexValaitis @meghanvita helllooooo people
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
In a way, a creator coin is sort fo a brand coin. If people know you have multiple accounts and one of them includes adult content, they may consider your other accounts in deciding to buy the coin of your main account. If people judge other activities in your life as problematic, I don't know they can separate it from content you might post that doesn't include that type of content so in theory, everything you do, even if on separate accounts, is part of a collective brand. Also, I agree with you that managing multiple accounts is a lot of work and in my opinion sometimes counter-productive because you are diluting the time you have to grow a following. It's the reason I don't do much with my @Kiko I grow my following via all of my engagement and doing that on more than one account in any meaningful way would be even more of a full time job that DeSo is for me now
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
so the difference is that people purchase my creator coin in order to gain access to my @cloutfanz content - so they're not only buying access to it, but they're also buying into my coin. someone can be intending to do one or the other, but they get the benefits of both either way. this adds incentive. i'm not worried about people being upset with the things i do. i personally don't want to see nsfw content on my feed, either :)
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Is your concern that people aren't buying your coin because you think they feel like people can't tell if they are supporting your main content or if they are trying to access Cloutfanz? I feel like NFTs are a great way to mitigate that if @cloutfanz can integrate that so that people buy NFTs rather than your coin to gain access to the content. The NFT represents a ticket, effectively. Maybe that functionality exists. I don't actually know how it works.
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
i'm not concerned about anything, i was just posting an idea
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Maybe concern is the wrong word but I read your post to be an idea in relation to something you thought might be a factor in people deciding to buy your coin or not. I do actually think the cloutfanz factor might prevent someone from buying your coin if they think others think they did so to gain access to cloutfanz are are afraid of being judged. Deso is such a small community right now and we're all so interconnected that people may consider such things. I'm not saying that matters but I just thought your idea was in response to something like this. I do still think though that inadvertently, every creator coin is really more of a brand coin than an individual coin to the extent someone has other known accounts that can be linked back.
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PeaKing
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
I haven't been on cloutfanz, but is there a way you could maybe use your alt coin as like a subscription, with a high FR, then that can be reinvested into your main CC? like I said I haven't been on cloutfanz so idk if that's even possible but could be a cool idea to experiment with
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
yeah, possibly there are workarounds that can be done in ways like this. i'm not necessarily that concerned for myself, i just had this as an idea and it seems like it would have many more potential uses than just for @cloutfanz accounts. i think the downside to what you're saying is people would have to trust that i buy into my coin- and also, this would mean those buying access aren't also investing into the profile at the same time. right now there's multiple benefits to buying into my coin, which i like and is exactly why i started cloutfanz
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PeaKing
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Yeah true! I like the idea for sure it would be cool to see what everyone did if they were able to split it
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CompDec
2022-01-17
• 3 months ago
I am hoping, and expecting, that with the new DAO stuff coming onto the chain we will be able to craft these sorts of subtleties to our coins. Also I am expecting privacy layers to emerge on top of the entire blockchain and nodes will have to manage the privacy layers. Soon as someone can buy your cloutfanz membership anonymously and dm you without their mistresses and wives finding out, then, surprise surprise it will accelerate. Your ideas are good idea and the nodes can help innovate too.
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kitty4D
2022-01-19
• 3 months ago
yeah i would just say why not port those improvements to the creator coin itself, instead of adding additional complexities on top of it. perhaps the reason is that the DAO coins won't pass regulations, so by keeping them separate perhaps creator coin will escape and be OK even if DAO coins get shut down and technically it's pretty easy for someone to spin up an alt account to buy my cloutfanz membership, but the thing is, who's to say why someone bought my coin? that's part of why i like the way cloutfanz is tied to my creator coin. you can invest in me BECAUSE you know i work all of these different avenues to create value for my coin, but there's nothing that says "intent behind why you bought my coin" - intent really should just be "i see value there and think when a lot of new people join DeSo and start having DeSo to spend, the kitty4D account is one of the few that has an ~actual utility to the coin~"
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Just relax and do what you do. No one cares. Youre over thinking it. If it really bothers you just make a separate account... again no one would care. People care if you lie or misappropriate funds. Everything else is fair game and up to you
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
so the reason why it would matter if i create a separate account is because people are already holding my coin. there are people who hold my coin for cloutfanz and people who hold it because i have been one of the top accounts in terms of engagement over the last month. and there are people who hold my coin for both reasons because of course that makes perfect sense. i don't want to "dilute my brand" i'm also not worried about anything, i'm just spitballing ideas since it can create things to discuss. as long as people don't just shut it down.
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
I completely understand why it COULD matter but im asking DOES IT actually matter and who says so... you or your holders...
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Have your holders expressed their concern or are you over thinking this? This is my main point
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
I personally brought up this discussion with @kitty4D as I was investigating how to classify content on-chain for cloutfanz creators. It's something every node out there will need to scale content properly.
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Its not a problem that exists. Seems you are creating it to solve it...
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Maybe not in your @deso bubble
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Maybe I am. Can you explain why it matters?
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
This issue came up just yesterday btw - big enough for it to be brought up many times over the past few months: https://discord.com/channels/914262395315179540/914275572232880188/931705742443036723
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Yes and I waz there debating it
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Something as simple as allowing normal nodes to filter out NSFW content by adding ExtraData to on-chain posts. That way people who want to run full NSFW profiles don't have to clash with people who are here to read / interact with more general content. We already have the ability to add arbitrary data so just a normal object classifier would be a good first step.
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Maybe a simple nsfw toggle can be added to posts so creators can mark certain posts as nsfw would help?
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
For example yeah. My intent was to make it more seamless for anyone who posts on cloutfanz since it's a safe bet they are NSFW.
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
I was trying to alliviate any concerns kitty was having about her content and it spiraled
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Creating a nfsw filter and overthinking your profile and presence on the platform are separate things in my mind
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
They are linked for a creator. In @kitty4D 's case, she would not want an NSFW filter associated with her on-chain posts since she never posts any NSFW content on-chain, only on @cloutfanz. That is why she had the idea of 2 different profiles linked to the same coin, so she can manage two types of identities with different content, but the same coin.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Thats why it should be a toggle per post... not a blanket nsfw filter
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
And honestly whats wrong with a bit of skin? Why is it nsfw? Who are we to decide?
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
The law does, not us.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Can you link that law please. Im honestly asking
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I believe you - I don't have a link on hand but law is that nude / explicit content cannot be shown to minors, since there is no age gate on nodes, NSFW content should therefore be hidden / not shown. If a node were to show it knowingly, then an age gate should exist. That button everyone clicks on Pornhub to confirm they are 18+ haha
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Yea so a simple nsfw toggle works. Also we are a financial platform which requires a certain age.
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Sadly that won't fly as there is no age requirement for holding crypto
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
What about buying crypto. Because you cant use deso without it...
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
We have so many under 18 on @deso haha - you can buy crypto without being 18 on DEXs.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
If you lie yes but thats not a deso problem. Thats more of a parenting problem
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cfky
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
You do realize this doesn't matter when you're being investigated, right? "Parenting problems" is not a valid argument. Luckily as long as we're covered and can show we asked for age confirmation then we're good 👌🏼
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
If thats a concern then ask the age and a 18+ confirmation. What does that have to do with what kitty asked about a "brand coin"
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
excuse me, what did i overthink? i'd love to hear it.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
The reactions of your coin holders if you make another account.
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
what? i have no idea what the reactions of my coin holders would be.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Exactly. You are speculating. So just act and ask. Not speculate is my point
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
WHERE DID I MENTION THE REACTIONS OF MY COIN HOLDERS IN MY POST i challenge you to show me
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
And whats with the caps?
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Here "i don't like that me posting anything about cloutfanz, could potentially make my normal followers worry about things they might see on my feed. even though i keep everything sfw on-chain, some people might not like "implications" - i don't begrudge anyone for it, i try my best to keep things as clean as possible while still promoting things i do because i want my coin holders and myself to benefit."
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
and i worry about followers because I'VE HEARD THIS FROM FOLLOWERS
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Thats also why I said you cant make everyone happy. I honestlu thought this was bothering you and i wanted to say fuck the haters do you and keep active lol. This really took a turn
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
you keep saying that i'm "overthinking" and that you're "challenging me"
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
*kept
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I said it once. Dont let it get to you. Wasnt the point of all this.
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
"don't let it get to you" you continue doing it!!!! come on, are you serious?
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Gonna chalk this up to lost through translation. Text is really limiting would love to get on a call or something to make this easier and not so combative
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Yea as in dont mind me then this isnt the affect i wanted to produce
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
i totally understand it wasn't the effect you wanted to produce, i'm just hoping you understand that it happened and saying that it's my fault doesn't do anything to help you avoid this from happening again in the future.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Who is blaming anyone here? Again I was trying to assist you with what we got in our tool box now. Never intended on hurting you or making you feel anything other than supported with ypur content by saying that your concerns shouldnt be a concern for people supporting you
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
FOLLOWERS i worry about FOLLOWERS jesus christ are you dense
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
You have no idea. Your only scratching at the surface
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
"i have no idea" "overthinking" "calm down your kitty brootle" how do you not see how the words you use are insulting?
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I honestly think there was some serious miscommunication here. Ill reread this tomorrow maybe im missing something 🤷‍♂️
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
No i can see how they can be misinterpreted
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Arent we building the anti cancel culture chain? Shouldnt it be the users deciding this?
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cfky
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
? I'm not sure I understand how what I said is relevant to what you said?
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
i have heard from people on the platform that they don't like to see images that promote my cloutfanz content. not from coin holders, but from people with whom i like to engage. i'm not just creating a problem where none exists. if you don't know that nsfw content can conjure different feelings in different people.. well, i certainly have not created this out of thin air, i am sure of it regardless do you not see how having the ability to attach multiple profiles to a single private key could have benefits? forget my specific use case RE: nsfw
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
If you feel that the content you provide should be curated in a separate profile then do that. Your current holders know what they bought I garantee it. You cant make everyone happy
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
it's an idea. what do you think i'm overthinking? do you have a problem with people coming up with ideas for the platform?
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Calm your kitty brootle😘🤣
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
who are you talking to? me or brootle? brootle has nothing to do with anything i do on this platform
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Was just keeping it light and referencing your day as brootle on the platform... it eas fun
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
What you are proposing is already in the works as a dao coin. But i guess in your case it would be a "brand coin" no problem here. Just trying to allieve your frustrations by showing you that you already have the tools.
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kitty4D
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
so explaining how the dao coin would cover what i'm speaking about would have been an awesome response. can you explain how it will do that please?
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SLAVA
2022-01-15
• 3 months ago
Make a kitty4d dao coin that benefits from all of your initiatives as they are added and removed. Allow holders of your dao coin to vote on these things ... etc
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Also, I can't speak for @SLAVA but I think there might be a misunderstanding. I don't think he is saying that nobody cares about what you are proposing here but more than perhaps people don't care that you're putting out NSFW content in addition to your main posts. But as I said, I do think anything we do could have some impact on our brands so it just depends on how much we care. Part of your brand is the NSFW content. You believe in it and if someone isn't okay with that, you don't need them as a supporter anyway.
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
he's been talking down to me from the beginning, that's the issue i have with him
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Understood and that is a totally separate issue so I'm glad you addressed it directly. I appreciate that you are not afraid to speak your mind.
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kitty4D
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
yeah i just would have been happy to discuss the idea, unfortunately now i'm a bit on edge so i'm going to take a break for a bit. :D
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I get it. Go do something non-deso related.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Yes thank you. Maybe i used the wrong words.
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
It did come across aggressive until I read it a few times (which I did because I was trying to understand the issue) so I'm sure when Kitty first read it, she had that reaction. I may have had a similar reaction if it was a comment on one of my posts. I am notorious for skim reading and missing a point completely. I have learned the hard way (not necessarily on DeSo) because I am sarcastic that humor or even just a certain way of saying something doesn't translate well in written form.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Lol was just laughing to myself. What kind monster would I have to be to say "no one cares about your ideas" lol like wtf im so sorry if it read that way
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I've had the exact same reaction and used the "what kind of monster would I be" language when I think about how someone could have interpreted what I said or did. Lots of people know me well enough to know that I would never say anything intentionally mean (so if it comes across that way, they can figure out what I meant but for everyone else, this is social media and there are trolls that do mean what they say so you can't always know.
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I do mean what i say and always stand by my word. But i can see how it can be misinterpreted or come off differently from what i meant. Youre very right when you say i need the right words. Thank you
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
My pleasure :)
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
Yea im a really shitty writer id rather speak
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
You just need to find the right words :)
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SLAVA
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I need @meeks
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Sandirose
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
We all need more @Meeks in our lives. I get a decent amount because we chat frequently but I can still always use more.
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Dan_Landry
2022-01-16
• 3 months ago
I'd say either way is fine; making separate accounts might be more hassle in the long run for you.
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