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2022-02-05
• 2 months ago

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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
so developers who use DeSo Identity are accepting that the included terms of service (it’s there but you can only find it when you are getting a new seed phrase- just hit next and look at the TOS, it doesn’t hurt anything to get a new seed phrase and not use it) will be their own TOS. i assume this is known by anyone using it, though the docs don’t expressly state this. but: 1) the TOS is barely enforced it seems? 18+, yet there are accounts for children at least as young as 9 years old accessible on bitclout.com and diamondApp.com (I guess hopefully scammers, but how do you know when the bios just say the age), I brought this up a week ago. 2) how does the TOS work if the content is coming from the blockchain? does the TOS only apply to a person directly using the app, and not to a person whose data is making its way into the app by other means? it will appear as if those people used the app to anyone on the outside. how are other devs dealing with this kind of data existing in the blockchain? i know the bigger apps that are coming have things in place, such as using machine learning to recognize problem content and hide it automatically. but for independent devs just using a backend API, when the node isn’t applying their own TOS (and I’m not sure that even if a node bans a user that it blocks that user’s data from being returned by the API but hopefully it does?), has anyone figured out any type of solution in order to remain compliant with laws? i mentioned COPPA last week but hadn’t realized there were actually profiles for children under 13 when i had posted it, when i had noticed it i tried getting in touch with someone to understand what was going on, but haven’t heard anything since last weekend. it is really crappy btw. we all know some of this stuff and i am pretty new, what exactly is going on. come on. it makes me feel awful. if somehow magically things are different here than on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter and every other place.. well, i don’t really know what the argument there could be. curious to hear what other people may have come up with. or if people think we are exempt from these things, i would love to know how.
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i would hope the response to this might be “there are accounts for children here?” though i think we all surely must realize it, that’s why this is so baffling to me. an account breaking TOS and an account pretending to be a person who is breaking the TOS are indistinguishable. stop doing this. you are making the case that DESO is directed to children. i can’t pull data from the b-chain and know that i might display a child’s info. it is that simple. if i am interpreting the law too loosely, it’s kinda not a big problem to me- children’s info. hello?
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
The problem with the current ID verification is also kinda wack; it only checks to see if the ID is real, and doesn’t check to see if the person is under the age of 18.
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2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
yeah I mean look- it’s not difficult to write a cron job that looks for bios and posts that have clear text saying “I’m a child under 13” and to have that alert you of the possibility so you can investigate. big social media use real AI to do it, but it can be done simpler. it is proactive and makes sense, and wouldn’t take much. i already sent all this to support last week but just didn’t seem to have luck determining that they are taking it seriously.
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
I had an account run by the younger brother of a user here (the brother wasn’t happy with what I was doing lol) who was like 13-14 and I had to send several emails to support to get the account taken down. I was so shocked they didn’t take it down straight away, I had to screenshot the TOS and send to support basically blackmailing them to take it down or I’ll go public with the information.
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2022-02-05
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(And in follow up to my last comment) I didn’t hear back from support after that btw. I waited all week. I wasn’t going to post about it, I wanted to let them address it, but I think devs need to halt work and force answers to be given personally. I’m not that concerned about kids, I’m not a fan, but obv it’s weird when adults buy creator coin of a kid. Don’t care about law much either. I care about devs but I also know when things are clearly getting into a weird area. Nader giving tips to child accounts is a bad look
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2022-02-05
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Faxxxxxx 🖨🖨🖨
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2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
i was asked to do the work of providing the offending accounts, which I said I could certainly do but I wanted to know for sure they were taking it seriously before I put in more time on it. it’s not just that it’s actual time out of my day, it is extremely emotionally draining. i shouldn’t even be in this position, I am sure most accounts are being run by parents/etc but that doesn’t help protect anyone unless consent is collected in a compliant manner. I don’t want to ruin any kid’s day, @DESO should make it clear that kids put us all at risk.
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
Oh man, thissssass ⬆️⬆️⬆️ It’s like the same with the scams; the only people actively taking scams down is me and maybe a handful of others, the core team does fuck all.
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2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
i mean, the crazy thing is I bet the response to kid accounts is “we prohibit that in our TOS” yet they don’t enforce the TOS Also “the site isn’t directed to kids”. Well the presence of kids makes it directed to kids automatically. Promoting accounts where kids sell NFTs makes it appealing to kids. it’s crazy cause this is: protecting DESO, protecting devs, and protecting children. Who can argue with this??
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
Nah, you’re 100% right. Also, with the OnlyFans DeSo clone (I’m sure you’re aware of) what’s stopping a kid from getting into that? This whole thing is a mess and really needs to be sorted out. The devs are working so hard to make sure this platform has room for growth, but what’s the point when they’re not working on subjects that directly hurt the growth of this platform like the scam/underage accounts? It’s so dumb
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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
If you just meant accessing it, yeah ofc that’s a big reason why I care about this too. But cloutfanz is for sure not directed at kids, think about porn sites, other non-social media crypto, they are exempt from the same rules to be compliant. Porn sites are fine just saying “must be 18!” - though if they start using cartoonish NFTs or having under 18 celebs on their site, they’d get hit pretty fast of course.
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
Well, this platform is a bit different than porn sites because money is involved here from day 0; to even create an account, you need money.
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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
which makes it pretty gross to see children accounts, I would think. i mean let’s just say the ones where no parent is mentioned.
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
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I’m with you 100% dude
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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
i guess i can allow you to call me dude in this instance lol it would be great for DeSo Foundation to forever be known for coming up with viable solutions to these problems. right? seems pretty great
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
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I call everyone dude, don’t get your knickers in a twist. Haha 😂 Like I said, they’re doing everything BUT what we’d like them to do lol
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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
the scary thing is that more people don’t seem to care, but i think that may be more a function of poor UI, they just haven’t seen any of this stuff. hopefully.
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
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You right again; no one trolls through the recent tab like I do haha
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kitty4D
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
so cloutfanz does their own verification, just to make that clear! but yes I brought up that they should fast track verification for nsfw creators because they should want to be clear that no one is underage, nothing to do with trying to skip lines though I don’t care since I’m verified so many places that DeSo verification would just be a blip In my opinion they have no regard for the devs by not handling this and answering questions about the TOS that they are forcing upon people via Identity, but devs have to force their hand apparently for answers
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FatWalrusBeard
2022-02-05
• 2 months ago
It almost feels like the devs are scared to do anything besides what @nader says to do.
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