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@Kitty4D on the B-Chain
just my adventures with the blockchain, web3, cryptocurrencies, and NFTs
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tijn
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
D^3 - DeSo Dev Degen Run Nodes, Create Apps, Love Data Node: tijn.club Active Followers: tijn.club/maf Tag or DM for any questions. Happy to help as always. Discord: tijn#0303 but DMs only. 🇳🇱🇬🇧 Dutch in UK You know the drill ... ⛴ ship before you shill 🤑
What if the primary purpose of deso is to turn its social data in a "public" good - owned by nobody, but "mined" for profit by the few companies with the resources to do this at scale? If thats its goal - it has to be focussed on maximising the amount of data stored on deso by expanding where deso is used. Decentralisation is irrelevant for this goal outside of the "gate" early adopters will use to choose deso. Shared Services makes sense in this case. Im all for making "web3" development easy for people as long as it remains secure. And i can see a place for proof of stake mechanisms working with shared services to establish a level of "trust" like validators on eth/sol. But i do hope we dont loose track of making this potentially transformative project truly resilient via decentralisation.
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tijn
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
clarification "owned by nobody" probably isnt the correct way of saying - if you own the copyright of what you publish it stays yours. Posting on a blockchain does not change that
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mp3
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
tricky subject. Although you legally own the copyright I really don't control the data once its public. Also what does it mean to own something if everyone else also owns it? Excited to see how this all plays out regardless
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AdamAndAria
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
This *really* needs to be clarified & emphasized
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dgsus
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
“ profit by the few companies with the resources to do this at scale?” yep, since content creators dont actually own their content , this seems to be the only logical goal of deso.
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
This idea that content creators don't own their content on here needs to be clarified by @nader. At least from a US law perspective there is no reason why content creators wouldn't own their content. Posting content or publicly displaying art doesn't transfer any copyrights to anyone, they remain with the creator. The issue isn't that you don't "own" your content it is that you can't take it with you by removing it from the blockchain. Once it's posted to the chain or becomes accessible to all without requiring your permission. Yet, your content being accessible still doesn't transfer your copyrights unless you have knowingly and voluntarily given those rights away by agreeing with a contract, a Terms of Service... I don't remember agreeing to any terms on the Blockchain? @nader, if I'm correct, stop this rumor before it does more damage! 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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dgsus
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
rumour? when i say the data is not ours (the posts we make) i mean we cannot control who reads it, we cannot directly monetize on it, we cannot delete it. so is it really ours? ;)
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
I see where your coming from, from that perspective this is no different than when you post something online anywhere else and the content gets downloaded and shared by another user - you can't control it or monetize viewing that either. (Technically you could issue a DMCA take down notice and the host must comply of they can [web 2] - and with Blockchain they can't remove it from the chain but the node can prevent it from being displayed on the front end [web 3].) The reason NFTs are valuable isn't because they automatically transfer the content's copyright ) they don't!) It's because they are verifiably "authorized reproductions" with provable providence and a limited supply. Sure you may have a copy of the file but only the person holding the token has a authorized version. To many people this distinction isn't even valuable, but to a growing number of collectors with deep pockets it's THE valuable feature. If you want to monetize your content on here and control who has access beyond what is felt available on-chain perhaps make every post an NFT with a low res or limited file and an unlockable hi res or full length file? But this still won't stop the butter from sharing the unlockable file without your permission! How would you like to see ownership and DRM enabled on here? (Keep in mind: all DRM systems fail at the point the content must be seen or heard by the user because at that point the file can be copied/ripped/sampled/shared etc) This is an important conversation! 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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dgsus
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
nfts are a different game, i have no issue with it. however, who will greatly benefit from all our data being public? most likely are the big corporations that will leverage this free information for their own purposes. also, i say it this way, because nader often claims that the content is ours, but it really isnt...its public, it belongs to all.
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
"Accessible to all" is true, "belongs to all" is not, at least legality speaking. Enjoy your day to the fullest! 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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dgsus
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
i will grant that legally speaking it may not, however how do you believe creators can profit , opposed to the wealth of data that is gathered freely by corporations? how can deso - in its current state and looking at the roadmap - help creators better profit from their content too?
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
I think the main options so far are: 1. NFTs (backed by physical art and/or other perks and utility is best - things not easy to copy/paste click/save.) 2. Creator Coin purchases (also benefit from perks, IRL items or access, utility, membership etc.) 3. Apps are being built to use Creator Coins (NFTs eventually) as access tokens (paywalls) to content that is not on-chain ( @cloutfanz adult content is an example) Let's reverse this, how do you monetize content on web2 that can't be done on DeSo? 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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dgsus
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
imo all those would work if the userbase grows indefinitely . i dont need to reverse it at all, im not saying that deso isnt already better for creators, but if the userbase expands significantly, all those things wont make it in the long run if creators cant choose where their content ends up and how. i dont see content creators flocking here with their content… mainly because they can still post to their audience - wherever they are - and monetize with paywalls. deso could make this all work builtin.
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Christo
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
I like what people are building in top if DeSo, and for Creators this may be an improvement, but I'm still getting the feeling that the potential data mining is going to make Google look like amateur hour.
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
This idea that content creators don't own their content on here needs to be clarified by @nader. At least from a US law perspective there is no reason why content creators wouldn't own their content. Posting content or publicly displaying art doesn't transfer any copyrights to anyone, they remain with the creator. The issue isn't that you don't "own" your content it is that you can't take it with you by removing it from the blockchain. Once it's posted to the chain it becomes accessible to all without requiring your permission. Yet, your content being accessible still doesn't transfer your copyrights unless you have knowingly and voluntarily given those rights away by agreeing with a contract, a Terms of Service... I don't remember agreeing to any terms on the Blockchain? @nader, if I'm correct, stop this rumor before it does more damage! 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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tijn
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
Thats a valid point - i actually dont know the position on copyright - and i should clarify in my post that its "publicly accessible" and vieweable on any node. Thanks for asking the valid question here.
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aaronsuncamacho
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
I think there's a disconnect between the "developer's mind" and the "artist's mind"... Open source devs are not used to thinking about controlling their copyrights, but content creators/artists that are serious are always concerned about their copyrights. To a developer having free access to everyone's content looks like a feature, but to an content creator it starts to look like a bug! I'm not sure if @nader has been putting himself in the shoes of creator's enough to notice the problem with his simultaneous claims that DeSo benefits creators AND developers? (Check my comment to the other commenter here too) I see benefits in it being the way it is, but also the benefits of user controlled opt-in to each node that wants to display a user's content. Nodes ought to have a way of sending notifications to all users of the chain to introduce themselves and request access to their data. This change would make the "you own your data" claim ring more true... 🕉️☀️💜🙏
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alanzuckerphoto
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
Very interesting. I don't come from a blockchain background, so forgive me for my ignorance. How does a more pure decentralization prevent the open and available public good from being "mined" by the few companies with resources?
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tijn
2022-01-07
• 1 month ago
It doesnt. But maybe having shared services that are decentralised may stem the tide of centralisation.
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alanzuckerphoto
2022-01-07
• 1 month ago
I came across https://solidproject.org last night. Would be interested to hear what DeSo folks think about it. Seems like it is in very early stage. It is aprotocol (or specification) that allows everyone to fully control their data via what they call "Pods." The ultimate decentralization. Each pod can operate as a stand alone server on your home computer or be hosted on a shared service... the important part being that the Pod itself can be moved from place to place without being compromised. Tim Berners-Lee is the driving force behind it.
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mp3
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
yes it would be nice if the name of the blockchain was a true statement
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Sandirose
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
I brought up something along the lines of that first part the other day on CH. That's kind of the direction I see this going.
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RealYogi
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
@tijn has always something good to say. Thank you.
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Clark_Renfort
2022-01-06
• 1 month ago
Haha ! Wow So you finally read my posts from months ago WTF Indeed More money to be made in our info than building ANYTHING ! Hold on it’s my turn on the Occulus
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tijn
2022-01-07
• 1 month ago
i doubt i read it but your thoughts must have been beamed into my head somehow across the world and timezone. link me your post please
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