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2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
i like discord's approach. there's no like or dislike. i can add a little image reaction, but this is not a hardline Like or Dislike. it's a lot more fun to add a cat vibin' to a message than a like, anyway. if i put a growling cat face, maybe it conveys my reaction to the author, but other readers don't necessarily know. who asked for dislikes? is this really a feature anyone cared about? why wouldn't a reddit-like node just handle it off-chain if they wanted? in real life, i ignore things. who wants to spread negative feelings? how is that social?
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
@happyskelly (this is not directed at you lol) is it SOCIAL or ANTI-social behavior to put negative feelings out for others with no accountability isn't it more social behavior to express a dislike via words in a comment or post? or are there people who HATE how easy it is to LIKE something, and how much effort it takes to express HATRED for something? because ignoring things you don't like seems to be a better approach. why the need to spread negativity? why give ANY engagement? doesn't it hurt the creator more to give them zero reaction?
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theejunkyardwaltz
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
yep
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APPP
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
I don't want to see negative energy in a new and developing organization.
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
If there is an on-chain dislike/downvote transaction it's not a bad thing. Forcing it into existing products where it doesn't belong is a bad thing.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
i guess i don't see how a dislike button actually promotes any kind of social behavior. there's nothing social about clicking dislike and walking away. it's aggressive anti-social behavior. negativity doesn't need equal representation, no need to appear impartial to both sides. we're ignoring mistakes made by web2.0 social media sites? facebook made a lot of money off of algorithms promoting negativity. node operators might make a lot of money promoting a dislike action since on-chain means txn fees. is that good for us?
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
2/ YouTube dislike button for comments was a good example of a dark pattern that you mentioned previously as being an off chain action. Their comment dislike would show you disliked it to you but no one else. It was litterally pointless other than getting micro-aggressions out. Have an up/down voting system for the actual YouTube video however is extremely useful to be used in tailoring their badass algorithm.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
so which is weighed more favorably by the algorithm - when you dislike a video, or when you do nothing at all? i am sure when someone dislikes something, that is favored, because it means engagement which means money for someone. money for advertisers. money for the platform. possibly money for the creator, depending on how much ad revenue they make, and their intention. some people will make stuff specifically for people to hate when the algorithm has shown them they can profit off of negativity isn't that a PROBLEM?
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
2/ I think expounding on this purely based on the transaction type though may be a biased belief though. I would hope they would user test it before putting a lot of work into developing something that could have an overwhelmingly negative effect. The worst thing you can do is over optimize something that is more useful not existing.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
personally i think they are rolling out a feature that might just allow a dislike to be expressed, by way of a reaction or through a poll, and they are trying to be clever and get everyone talking so they can try to act like they didn't simply say something using poor word choice as if they got one over on us. because that's what people love. i could be giving them too much credit though with that thought 😂
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
1/ I think it's relative and depends on the topic of negativity. Is there a common belief that people should profit off of toxic positivity if they are misguiding users without exposure to a topic? I think positive and negative views are equally as important.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
when you say toxic positivity, do you mean scammers, acting as healers and motivational speakers? but my negative views can be expressed just fine, we can already do that better than a button allows. my posts and comments get across my views in my own words. so what benefit does a dislike button provide? maybe it benefits algorithms that operate off of our data. but our dataset is extremely small, maybe the focus should be on getting a larger dataset here first before making features that might possibly capitalize on it later.
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
No I mean the hurrah people saying X to the moon and ignoring the obvious faults with something. Yeah I don't really care either way it's not an innovating feature by any means.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
those people may be shortsighted and MAYBE contribute to other people being made into suckers, but it's hard to say if they're being disingenuous or if they are also total suckers. regardless here we are accountable for our actions, if that thing they're talking about fails, it's something that can be discovered. (i think in ways better than just immutability, but it would be a benefit in that kinda case) and also if we buy into their idea with no backing, we are responsible for that decision. do you know how many people disliked bitcoin 10 years ago?
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
Ideally it would be tied to your own behavior so if A likes X video but B dislikes X video and C hasn't done any action but likes a video with similar keywords that A likes then maybe C will still be recommended the video and then weight it based on the percentage. Idk algorithms are tough and not my strength.
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
1/ They are building a blockchain so in order to offer solutions to apps building on that chain they still need to make transaction types that only make sense on some apps. Reddit is probably the most notable for having a up/down voting system. There are a lot more unique ways to utilize up/down voting functions other than shitting on someone else's post. Personally I don't really care either way if it exists or not unless apps that don't need it are using it just because it's there.
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
i mean the obvious thing is creating polls where the person is asking for opinions, but polls can be used for all sorts of purposes if we're just saying that "dislike" is really just creating another "counter" attached to a post, i mean, oooh wowww lol why not create 100 new transaction types that are just distinct numerical counters and nodes can do what they want with them?
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clayoglesby
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
I think they are rolling out something called associations for polls and trust systems of sorts.
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mcmarsh
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
I wasn't to pleased when I heard some time about the dislike/downvote thing but It doesn't have to come to the social nodes - bitclout/diamondapp it can be on the chain for other types of nodes in future that may use it for voting in other ways (?) kinda a problem for a social chain/database if it doesn't have some features that may be used in future by various nodes? I'm still not sure on it - but also my knowledge of blockchain is sadly lacking
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
but the whole point is people can build anything they want using DeSo? there's no reason a node can't create a dislike button. why does that need to be a core feature of the b-chain? why not a button for every type of feeling? why want people to be social when they can just hit a button, on the b-chain built for social media? i mean there are plenty of features that i would rank much higher if they want to enhance the core.
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mcmarsh
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
I don't know nader's thinking 🤷‍♂️ yes there can , as you say, be off-chain anything anyone wants to build an emoji button would seem the simplest (emotion) option I suppose - but maybe there is a use case for this maybe it was bad "marketing" to name it a dislike? I'm just thinking about the idea and trying to see the positive it *may* turn out to be?
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kitty4D
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
at the end of the day, if it's some all-purpose numerical counter, that a node can use for anything they want- uhhh, super cool feature. why not just add a ton of them without names and let nodes use them for anything they can think of? revolutionary LOL they're prob gonna have it be like a complete "reaction" button. in some kind of stupid "we tricked you" thing. it won't get the bad taste out of my mouth, i know that for sure.
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hugetiny
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
Right now social nodes are the most viable. Why prioritize this in Q1 if it’s not planned for DiamondApp?
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mcmarsh
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
no idea - there is so much we don't hear about for all I know there could be some voting node/app ready to be released? if the dislike has no effect on the node we are using or I'm most interested in promoting myself/content on does it matter so much at the end of the day though? i.e. someone could dislike my content on some other node but if where it matters to me - it has no effect (i.e. doesn't affect how my post does in any future feeds/hot etc) ?
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hugetiny
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
It may matter if it could be used to create something like a Klout score for an account, or used to indicate status/quality. You should have a right not to have your content on a node with downvoting.
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mcmarsh
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
doesn't sound like that ties in with decentralised to me though ? i.e. if you can opt out of nodes - you are centralising to where you are happy to have content? not on one side or the other just trying to think about it
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hugetiny
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
It's an interesting question, I don't know the answer. Do all nodes need to display all content? If a node has editorial power to not display a post should the creator have the same power about where their content is posted?
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mcmarsh
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
I think it would be impossible, the way things are, to control where your content is visible as anyone can run a node (if they have the resources of course) only way I can think of - would be to encrypt the text of your post to include content only shown by nodes you allow to unencrypt the post ?
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MarkHumes
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
Well if you're going to add a dislike button it would be necessary to add a screw you too buddy reply button 🤣 That is a joke and would be awful and escalate bad situations. I agree that in the real world you ignore such things and if we are wise we keep in mind it only takes one word or the sentence to be cut off from a person forever.
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APPP
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
people are spewing their hate on social media
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theejunkyardwaltz
2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
people live/love 2 hate
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2021-12-29
• 4 months ago
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